Talk:Ryoga Hibiki

Does anyone else get a feeling of this page being some of a pro-Ryoga essay/rant? I've tried not to be judgmental, but the page does feel kind of biased on every reading. I have no idea if this is an accurate conception, so I leave that to the more experienced character entry writers to determine and, if neccessary, correct.

That said, there are definately areas that do feel awkwardly long-winded (these also tend to feel the more strongly biased) and which could really do with editing. For example, would not this fit the "sub-paragraph" of the Shi Shi Hokodan much better then what is currently there?

"Because the Shishi Hokodan is depicted as being more powerful when the user is more intensely depressed and weaker when they are less depressed, as well as the instruction scroll proclaiming that "anyone can do it", there is a school of thought that the technique's power stems entirely from the user's emotional state, rather then their own power."

Finally, I thought it was the policy of this wiki that measurements should not be used unless they are officially mentioned in the series itself? Thusly, while it is valid to note Ranma being able to punch Mikado 501 (dubbed anime) or 518 (subbed anime, manga) times during his time in the "Dance of Death" technique, it is not valid to note just how heavy the boulders, etc, Ryoga, Ranma and others have thrown must have been, as such measurements are derived entirely from fan extrapolation and they are thusly fanon? If I am correctly informed, then shouldn't these mentions of weights be removed from this article? Ranime Codexer 17:26, June 15, 2011 (UTC)Ranime Codexer


 * Well, I wrote it long ago, and it turned a bit long-winded and incoherent (although less so than the Ranma page), but I thought that the original version was overall balanced in both mentioning the good and bad, and being mostly matter-of-fact evenhanded in the power and abilities section.


 * In fact, the entry doesn't even mention that Ryoga has had Ranma at his mercy at least 22 times over the span of the series, and never used the opportunity to kill him, while on the other hand risking himself to save Ranma's life or going to extremes in helping him be restored when he was weakened or his curse was locked.


 * What somebody added later, and I modified a bit for accuracy, but still think seem off and should be summarised is this column:


 * A surprising number of (female?) fans consider Ryoga as the character who "deserves" Ranma most/is the best romantic prospect. This is due to Ryoga being the most noble and chivalrous of all the rivals, sharing a similar heroic "Warrior Code" and interests, having complementing strengths, and recurrently coming to Ranma's aid, such as during the "Weakness Moxibustion"/"Hiryu Shoten Ha" storyarc when all of Ranma's other rivals took full advantage of his weakened state, whereas Ryoga not only couldn't bring himself to attack the weakened opponent, but felt heartbroken for losing his worthy rival, protected him from the cowardly assault, and helped Ranma to regain his strength. However, the major problem here is that both of them are very straight, and were stated outright to find the idea of a relationship with the heated (antagonistic brotherly) rival particularly distasteful. For example when a mirror copy of Ranma's female form kisses Ryoga on the cheek, he freezes up and feels "soiled"; and in another instance Ryoga attempts to confess his love for Akane, but accidentally embraces female Ranma instead, causing Ryoga to get paralyzed from the shock, while a ballistic Ranma repeatedly stomps on him at the ground, and Ranma later grumpily states that if Ryoga ever says that again he would hurt him even worse. Hence, it would be extremely out of character, but if someone wants to insert a fully female sister or mirror-clone with very similar personality then it actually does make sense that they should get along quite well.


 * And possibly this one:


 * Out of all of Ranma's rivals in either battle or love, Ryoga distinctively stands out as being more prominent than any of the others. Ryoga's extreme misfortunes (half of which Ranma actually legitimately directly, but unintentionally, caused through the curse, which he is not below feeling guilty about), confusion, mostly noble or chivalrous intentions (more so than any other, with the possible exception of Kumon Ryu, and sharing Ranma's and Akane's "Martial Artist's Code" to defend and definitely not intentionally bully the defenceless), in combination with having saved Ranma's or Akane's lives more times than the reverse, and consistent ability to bring his rival a very serious entertaining challenge, have also caused Ranma to respect, recurrently symphasise with, in some cases aid (such as trying to play match-maker with Ukyo or Akari), and even considers Ryoga as a friend; whereas he outright despises Happosai and Saffron, dislikes Taro, Herb, Shampoo, and Kodachi, considers Nabiki chilling, finds Kuno annoying, and seems mostly ambivalent about Ryu after settling their business or Mousse towards the end of the series. Their relationship is very complex and malleable, shifting between friends or fierce rivals, but are shown to make a very good team once they have set their bickering aside, usually in cases where they face extremelly powerful enemies, such as Pantyhose Taro, Herb, the Yamata-No-Orochi, or Saffron; and by simply comparing them on the paper their different strengths do balance each other well. The two apparently eventually develop somewhat of a substitute strong brotherly rivalry towards each other, similarly to how Ranma seems to view Ukyo and Kasumi as platonic friendly acquaintances or possibly sort-of sisters.


 * For one thing Ranma's nicest martial acquaintances are probably Hinako and Konatsu, but yes coonsidering just how extreme most of the cast are, Ryoga comes across as much more noble and well-intended than most of them. Or to put it another way, he is a generally nice person with bad moments, not somebody who is consistently a complete sociopathic (or psychopathic) asshole like Nabiki, Taro, or Shampoo. Of course the "that makes him much worse due to being a hypocrite"  brigade might disagree... not that it makes any true sense, but some do think like that.


 * As for the scale measures, I think that they are very appropriate as most readers (and writers) get the proper scale of the characters completely wrong, whether by placing them close to human or Dragonball Z level. DaveA 09:27, June 16, 2011 (UTC)